SHTF COVID19

[Oswego]

IDK about you but w/o medicine I'd of been dead a Looooooooooooong time ago. Simple sinus or ear infection can rot your brain

 

[TacoXpo]

Survival of the fittest like nature intended

Ding ding ding. Weed out the weak.

 

[TacoXpo]

I know most here have more faith in titties than a higher power - I've been there. I read the bible from cover to cover just to argue with the guys on campus and how the bible and faith was a dream. I dont care about stories about fairies etc but I am confident without my sammich makers mother's faith, her Stage IV lung cancer would have taken her years ago. She is still with us and has great faith and is not afraid of death. ‍

 

[Silverback]

Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don't shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - CNN

 

[Oswego]

Ding ding ding. Weed out the weak.

Yikes. I guess Ill be the liberal in this situation. That kind of talk reminds me of the beginnings of the brown shirts.

IMHO a nation is only as good as it treats it's worst off citizens.....and NO I do not want more of my hard work being taxed. I just want efficient systems that make fiscal sense and an efficient gubment.

I know Rodger deals with the homeless more than I do, but I still see 20-100 homeless people per day begging and panhandling when I'm bouncing around the city

 

[TacoXpo]

Yikes. I guess Ill be the liberal in this situation. That kind of talk reminds me of the beginnings of the brown shirts.

IMHO a nation is only as good as it treats it's worst off citizens.....and NO I do not want more of my hard work being taxed. I just want efficient systems that make fiscal sense and an efficient gubment.

I know Rodger deals with the homeless more than I do, but I still see 20-100 homeless people per day begging and panhandling when I'm bouncing around the city

And if you really get close to them, you will find the true issues surrounding the ones you see.

If you could isolate them from the alcoholics, opiate using and meth using ones, you would see the difference.

There is PLENTY of help for those that are willing to accept help. The ones that don't want to be in by a certain time, want to do drugs or get drunk, prostitute or are psych cases - or even fraudsters - they are the ones that you see 99% of the time. The people that are just down on their luck, there is more help than can be used. Typically churches are one of the biggest groups that will exchange food, health, shelter, haircuts, counseling, hope, for the feeling that they have helped. Go to a food line sometime in a large city. We have the one fo the largest population of homeless. I guarantee you that half of the food we give away rots before they can even eat it. This world has been so programmed it wouldn't even recognize the truth. Sad.

 

[TacoXpo]

Over 1,000 health professionals sign a letter saying, Don't shut down protests using coronavirus concerns as an excuse - CNN

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This is a classic example of the programming I speak of.

 

[Oswego]

And if you really get close to them, you will find the true issues surrounding the ones you see.

If you could isolate them from the alcoholics, opiate using and meth using ones, you would see the difference.

There is PLENTY of help for those that are willing to accept help. The ones that don't want to be in by a certain time, want to do drugs or get drunk, prostitute or are psych cases - or even fraudsters - they are the ones that you see 99% of the time. The people that are just down on their luck, there is more help than can be used. Typically churches are one of the biggest groups that will exchange food, health, shelter, haircuts, counseling, hope, for the feeling that they have helped. Go to a food line sometime in a large city. We have the one fo the largest population of homeless. I guarantee you that half of the food we give away rots before they can even eat it. This world has been so programmed it wouldn't even recognize the truth. Sad.

We agree to disagree on religions so by now I'm sure you know Ill never support the idea that private companies like Churches should take the burden of dealing with our homeless by themselves. As a back up to catch the people who slip through the cracks - sure - I'm all for it.

If we turn a blind eye on our citizens that are in the most need - why do we even have a gubment?

worked in one of the worst parts of Philly for well over a year a block from the city assistance office and a meth clinic so I got to see it all in realtime. The heron dealers surrounding the clinic..... the lines of people getting free food vouchers from the assistance office.... this is the job where if I saw a white guy in our store I knew to follow him because he walked over from the meth clinic and was going to rob us. Seeing a white guy in a hood that's 99.99999999% black was a dead give away...well that and you have to be blind not to spot someone on heroine or methadone

BTW - the only reason that "development" is there is because they bulldozed down blocks of housing because it was a cesspool of crime

 

[TacoXpo]

We agree to disagree on religions so by now I'm sure you know Ill never support the idea that private companies like Churches should take the burden of dealing with our homeless by themselves. As a back up to catch the people who slip through the cracks - sure - I'm all for it.

If we turn a blind eye on our citizens that are in the most need - why do we even have a gubment?

worked in one of the worst parts of Philly for well over a year a block from the city assistance office and a meth clinic so I got to see it all in realtime. The heron dealers surrounding the clinic..... the lines of people getting free food vouchers from the assistance office.... this is the job where if I saw a white guy in our store I knew to follow him because he walked over from the meth clinic and was going to rob us. Seeing a white guy in a hood that's 99.99999999% black was a dead give away...well that and you have to be blind not to spot someone on heroine or methadone
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BTW - the only reason that "development" is there is because they bulldozed down blocks of housing because it was a cesspool of crime

The Government sucks at assisting people. They need way more juice in the deal than private industry. If you live in that "biz" for a year or two I promise you will see it.

 

[Silverback]

Stolen from another webpage. But...

Seattle is under seige - 6 block area & Police Station seized by Antifa

Let's see how this works out for them. I don't see it ending well anytime soon. I also doubt that the MSM is putting much effort into reporting on the effect this is having on the general Seattle community.


- The cops abandoned their police precinct in the area:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-p...leave-precinct


- A City Council member showed up the other night at Seattle City Hall with her keys and let 100 Antifa protesters in and they've now taken over City Hall.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-hall-rioters/


- Antifa has barricaded off a 6 block area and is calling for armed citizens to protect and patrol their "police free zone".

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...d-guard-watch/



Antifa Releases List of Demands After Taking Over 6 Square Block Section in Seattle and Setting Up Armed Security Watch — List Includes Reparations and Ending Police Dept.

Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.

1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.
2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.
3. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.
4. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.
5. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.
6. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.
7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.
8. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.
9. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.
10. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.
11. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.
12. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.
13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.
14. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.
15. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.
16. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.
17. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.
18. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.
19. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

1. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.
2. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.
3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
4. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.
5. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
2. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.
3. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

1. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.
2. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.
3. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

From: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...g-police-dept/


Well, this should be interesting. How long before the National Guard is called in by the Governor to unscrew this complete cluster-F?

 

[Silverback]

If I was a Seattle cop I'd quit. Fuck that place. Pull back and hit it from the air.

 

[Oswego]

The Government sucks at assisting people. They need way more juice in the deal than private industry. If you live in that "biz" for a year or two I promise you will see it.

I agree that gubment sucks, but they are the ones that should do this IMHO. The two party politics need to die off. The constant flip flopping of tact every 4-8 years is a joke. When both sides dig in and radicalize then let the country go down the tubes by politicizing everything then inciting the citizens to do the same - I'd simply disband both parties for holding us all hostage for their proxy wars. I don't care if you are right or left - the system is clearly broken. When you can't cross a party line for the good of your country because your base will flame you just due to polotics - time to change it up. I'm pretty young and even I notice one year a Republican will come up with a new bill and dems gflame it. 5 years later the dems put up a very similar bill and repubs flame it. They just want sheep to follow them over the edge of the bridge regardless if you are blue or red.

 

[Oswego]

Stolen from another webpage. But...

Seattle is under seige - 6 block area & Police Station seized by Antifa

Let's see how this works out for them. I don't see it ending well anytime soon. I also doubt that the MSM is putting much effort into reporting on the effect this is having on the general Seattle community.


- The cops abandoned their police precinct in the area:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-p...leave-precinct


- A City Council member showed up the other night at Seattle City Hall with her keys and let 100 Antifa protesters in and they've now taken over City Hall.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-hall-rioters/


- Antifa has barricaded off a 6 block area and is calling for armed citizens to protect and patrol their "police free zone".

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...d-guard-watch/



Antifa Releases List of Demands After Taking Over 6 Square Block Section in Seattle and Setting Up Armed Security Watch — List Includes Reparations and Ending Police Dept.

Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System.

1. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle.
2. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.
3. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed.
4. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles.
5. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined.
6. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service.
7. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community.
8. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail.
9. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction.
10. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged.
11. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote.
12. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system.
13. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons.
14. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment.
15. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems.
16. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city.
17. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington.
18. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record.
19. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc.

We also have economic demands that must be addressed.

1. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control.
2. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.
3. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country.
4. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions.
5. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office.

Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.”

1. We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.
2. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability.
3. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation.

Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington.

1. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum.
2. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media.
3. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.

From: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...g-police-dept/


Well, this should be interesting. How long before the National Guard is called in by the Governor to unscrew this complete cluster-F?

wut the fuc? Looking it up now.

I smell treason and thats pretty serious

 

[Silverback]

Surround the place with the national guard and fencing, cut the power and water (and cell towers) and wait. Arrest every mother fucker in there.

 

[Oswego]

Normally I'm all for less gubment and more citizen investment in their communities. If they say they can govern themselves and have remained peaceful..... not sure what can be done. We going to send militarized swat teams intot he area to take it by force? Sounds more like China then any country I want to live in.

If the LEO's abandoned their precinct and gubment let it happen... fuck em.

Pretty much everyone in here agrees and supports the constitution and amendments to it like 2A - so if they want to overthrow it - good luck. I won't be standing next to any of them to help, but I get it.

I always wondered how we as citizens contained so many sheep so now I can't get worked up when people start standing up for whatever it is they believe in.

 

[Oswego]

Surround the place with the national guard and fencing, cut the power and water (and cell towers) and wait. Arrest every mother fucker in there.

I'm no anarchist but I think the system is broken so I'm going to wait and see how this all plays out. I can tell you I won't be taking up arms for their cause or supporting it, but I'm also not going to dismiss their rights.

So far from what I just read - the Seattle gubment handed the city over on a silver platter

 

[Silverback]

Well when people overtake 6 city blocks... there are other people who's livelyhoods are in that area. They need to be gone.. its not about George Floyd at all. Its a fake agenda. And yeah, Seattle handed it over.. I really don't give a shit if they burn the entire city down. City Counsel allowed it.

 

[Oswego]

I can't understand why Seattle of all places has so many instigators? They have been a hot bed of radicals for decades.

Did a bunch of hippy parents our age raise a bunch of radicals?

 

[Oswego]

Well when people overtake 6 city blocks... there are other people who's livelyhoods are in that area. They need to be gone.. its not about George Floyd at all. Its a fake agenda. And yeah, Seattle handed it over.. I really don't give a shit if they burn the entire city down. City Counsel allowed it.

George Washington committed treason and was a terrorist by his own definition ~ he occupied more than 6 blocks when he got tired of paying his taxes. he also rotated his slaves in/out of VA so they wouldn't be set free after so many months in the north.

If they were smart they would call themselves a militia. I'm just be glad they aren't arming themselves and truly revolting.

 

[Silverback]